Tuesday, May 17, 2016

Tuesday 5/17 and 5/24

Today: 
  1. Romeo and Julie Paper is DUE by the end of class (print). The essay assignment is HERE. You may leave class once this paper is submitted to me. 
  2. The Hunger Games Part 1 Discussion begins (see the "Comments" button below). Please feel free to use the Wikipedia article HERE as a guide. 
For Next Week:

  1. Finish reading The Hunger Games for next week paying particular attention to the manifestation (or "use") of Pearson and Marr's 12 archetypes. Where do you see the manifestations of the archetypes--both Positive and Shadow (bad)--in the novel?

Revised Schedule (subject to change as circumstances allow):

T 5/17 Romeo and Juliet essay DUE.
T 5/24 The Hunger Games and revisions. Copy Book. We end at 10:30.
T 5/31 The Hunger Games and revisions. We end at 11:20, but some computers will be available after that time for revisions.
T 6/7 The Hunger Games (film) All revisions DUE.
Finals Week: Conferences only (by appointment). Final Reflection (online).

51 comments:

  1. The Hunger Games begins with several events that help characterize who Katniss is as a person. What are these events? What do they tell us about her (note the film alters a few of these, so try to stick to the book). Which of the Pearson-Marr archetypes do these events manifest?

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    1. The most important events that characterize Katniss as a person are the lost of her father in the mine, her mother's depression and scarcity of food and other resources. These events indicate that Katniss is a girl that suffers in magnitude to stay alive and protect her family since her father was the only source that kept them alive. She is strong and wise when it comes to hunt. she is not good making friends, maybe is because life was hard for her that she has limits to trust people. These events manifest archetypes like Orphanage, warrior, creator and caregiver.

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    2. I believe the archetypes manifested ar orphan, warrior, caregiver, innocent, rebel, and creator. The first few events showed her as a fragil yet empowering girl. She does everything she can to get her family to be fine, she even went out the fence, and traded entries into the reaping for food. She was even willing to volunteer as tribute instead of them taking her sister to the Hunger Games to avoid her sister from the suffering. She really is characterized as a strong independent girl.
      J. Perez

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    3. I agree with you Rina M. She is really strong at hunting and how the novel characterizes her as girl who suffers in magnitude to stay alive and protect her family since the dad is no longer alive. She took the role of the dad since she is the oldest daughter and there is no other male that can take that place.
      J. Perez

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    4. Katniss is a caregiver, seeker, sage, and orphan. When she kills the animal it shows that she will do anything to help her family. She will take smaller portions in order for her family to eat more and avoid starvation.
      G. Veronica

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    5. I Agree with Jenyfer perez about who the archetypes manifested created. She is a strong person because she nominated her self instead of them taking only sister. She did that inorder to protect her family and fight for them.

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    6. The events that characterize Katniss include the death of her father, from which her mother suffered depression, her going to hunt alone, and her going to the markets to sell some old clothes of Prim. It shows that she is traumatized, and she has suppressed her emotions to get on top of the circumstances she was in. Her personality is strongest in Warrior, followed closely by Orphan, and then trailed by Caregiver. Shard M.

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    7. katniss has to become like the big woman of the house taking care of her sister and family her mom is depprested so she has to step in the place of her and take care of her as well as prim on her own she refuses to see her family suffer. sacrificing herself instead of prim really shows how far she would go just to keep her family safe they have been through a lot and she wants to prevent prims innocent mind from being tainted from the games katniss wouldn't want her to kill someone if she never has before

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    8. In the beginning of the novel you that Katniss fits the Pearson-Marr archetype of the seeker. The event that manifest this is in the first chapter when you get to know Katniss. The way she describes her life and her society, you get the feeling that she's searching or hoping for a different life where things made more sense.

      C. Almeida

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    9. Katniss is a person who defines a women power to me. Katniss is a responsible person who loves her family and does not give up easily in any condition. Katniss is a warrior. She is the person who is hopeful that someday her district will be over from the curse like Hunger Games. Katniss is a normal person like em and you who wants a simple peaceful life with her family and friends and who wants to be free like a bird and does not wants to be under the rules of capitol which does not make sense to her.

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    10. The beginning of book characterizes Katniss to show who she is and who are her loved ones that she cares about. It starts as she wakes up and looks for her little sister. This shows that she is a caregiver. Moreover it shows how she is a warrior who protects her family.

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  2. What strategy would YOU use in the games? Coalition or go it solo? Why?

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    1. I would go solo in the games because I don't trust people even myself sometimes. In addition, I would go solo in the games because I learned to work by my own and working in groups would be a lot of work since trust is not guaranteed.

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    3. I would go solo too, because in the end only one could've won. And you can't trust anybody in those games, everyone is trying to survive and sooner or later they'll stab you from the back. You can't trust anybody, so it'd be easier working alone.
      J. Perez

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    4. To Rina M. It is very true life sometimes just makes us become more individual and people make us trust in one another less and less. And I am also working alone then in groups.
      J.Perez

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    6. My strategy would be to go in coalition. Having an alliance is always good and helpful to get through something. You can learn from other people's skills and experiences. You get to know their weaknesses and strengths. Coalition especially in the games would be helpful in knowing about the other tributes weaknesses and when the right time comes, I would let them go.
      I agree with Rina and Jenyfer that you can't really trust anyone but in coalition it doesn't necessarily means to let all your guards down. You could be in alliance with someone while keeping an eye out for yourself.
      T. Nawal.

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    7. I agree with the others I would go solo as well because you're all fighting to survive and you really can't trust anyone because like the others made a pack but in the end they all knew that one can only win. Yes working by yourself may be difficult but at the end of the day your counting on yourself to survive.

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    8. I would go solo only because it's a game where their can only be one survivor, everyone is essentially fighting for themselves. Working in coalition is dangerous considering the other person could kill you in the end making them the only survivor. It would be ideal to be in a coalition, but the stakes are too high to ever risk being in one.
      G. Veronica

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    9. I agree with everyone who said solo. I would much rather go alone because at the end someone has to die and only one can win, and no one will help me survive but myself

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    10. Solo would be the default choice, coalition only if the luxury can be afforded. A coalition would begin to look as an attractive option if many of the other contestants are intimidating in strength. But there's no guarantee to it though, because what also matters is trust in these circumstances. If the other contestants are intimidating, yet I fail to find anyone I can trust, then the game would have to be played solo. Self-preservation is the rule. Shard M.

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    11. the strategy i would use in the games is probably using a katana like michonne in the walking dead and sneak up on people the only person i would trust in the hunger games is if my boyfriend went with me other than that im a warrior on my own i trust no one

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    12. Though coalition makes the most sense I think would go solo. The advantages of teaming up with other are that you are more secure in lasting longer, but knowing the the threat of going to the games would be to big for me and i would analyze the games. I would do this to find out the flaws to things, maybe not everything but somethings, and I would exploit them. I would hide it out or avoid confrontation by sneaking around and finally at the end people will kill each other off and I would emerge victorious. It's not a perfect plan but I would have to make it work, my life would be on the line and people are very selfish from nature if it was up to most contestants they'd choose themselves before anyone else.
      C. Almeida

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    13. To flor gonzalez, don't you feel that going solo would be harder and more likely to fail? because though you are secure trusting yourself wouldn't people find it easier to kill because they have no connection to you and you would be all alone that in it's self would make it harder to fight back.
      C. Almeida

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    14. I will go for Coalition because I believe that if we are in union our chances of being broken is less than being as a solo. Its true coalition does not mean that we are putting our guards down but its just a strategy for surviving long in a group then become an easy prey while being alone. At the end we all know its a game and everyone has to think for their own survival even if we are in a group.

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  3. Katniss is strongest in which archetypes? Which archetypes is she weakest in?

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    1. It seems like Katniss is strongest in warrior, seeker and sage. She is weakest in archetypes like lover and jester.

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    2. I believe Katniss is strong in the archetypes warrior, explorer, caregiver, and rebel.
      She is weakest in jester and magician
      J. Perez

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    3. I agree with Rina. M I also think she is strong in safe.
      J.Perez

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    4. In the book, the archetypes Katniss is strong in are being a caregiver and warrior. It is evident that she became the man of the house when her father passed away. She strongly took over the role of her father and provided for her mother and her little sister, Primrose. She selflessly put her name for the games just so she could get tessera for the family. The archetype of being a warrior is evident when she courageously volunteer as a tribute to go in place of Prim.
      She is weakest in archetype of being a seeker and lover. In the beginning, when Gale asks her to run away, she refuses to go because of fear of failing at escaping and doesn't take off. She doesn't think that she could leave and maybe find a better life somewhere else. Another weak archetype found in Katniss is being a lover. She doesn't feel connection with people around her. She doesn't feel like she can freely express herself, her feelings to people in her life. Because of fear, she doesn't get attached to people.

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    5. Katniss is strong in orphan, seeker, caregiver, and sage. Her weakness is in lover, jester, and innocent.
      G. Veronica

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    6. To Jenyfer Perez: There are no archetypes as explorer or rebel, but these do qualify as the traits in her personality.
      With that said, I disagree with Katniss having the qualities of the archetype sage. Her objectivity isn't sage-like, it's Warrior-like. She finds no special interest in wisdom, or helping others. She helps others only if she knows she can afford to help. Shard M.

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    7. katniss is a true heroine in the book and movie she she is a true strong willed woman who can fend for herself without relying on anyone to help her she takes care of others and wins for her district which makes her a true hero

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    8. To A7xloverchic: You should write your first name and last so that the professor knows who you are.

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    9. I think Katniss is strongest in the warrior, the orphan and the seeker. She is definitely weakest I feel on being the innocent, the jester and finally the creator.
      C. Almeida

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    10. To Rina. M I disagree with you saying lover is one of Katniss' weakest archetype because the basis of the novel shows how much love she has to the point that she throws away her life many times for other she loves. This is really reminiscent to Romeo and/or Juliet. Also her not loving easily magnifies the fact that she is a lover because when she does love she loves to death and will do anything to help does she love and I think that's where she is misunderstood. Putting everyone aside for others may make her seem like a mean person to does she doesn't love but to does she loves it means the world. Just think about it.

      C. Almeida

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    11. I agree with Itz Nawal that Katniss is strong as a caregiver and warrior. She became the man of his house and the way she survived after all perils is applause able. She became a hunter instead of giving up after father's death. But I want to add Katniss was a orphan because she misses her father and her relation with her mother was kind of love and hate relationship. She has become bitter towards her mother and at the same time becomes sympathetic towards her due to the circumstances they were facing. In addition to it I think Katniss is a rebel because she was doing hunting which is against the rules of Capitol and a warrior. She has fighting spirit for her survival. She is a caregiver because she sacrificed her life for her sister and she took the place of her sister by volunteering in Hunger games. She is undoubtedly weak as a lover because she does not know about her feelings towards Gale to who she just thinks as her best friend and a good hunting partner. She is weak as a jester because she is always serious and never seen her making a joke in the entire novel. She becomes bitter because of her responsibilities and survival theories.

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  4. Who is Katniss really in love with? What do her actions say about the nature of "love"?

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    1. Katniss is really in love with her family and Gale. When she first introduces Gale in the book, it shows how much she likes being around Gale. She rarely smiles but when she sees Gale it brings a smile on her face. With him, she feels safe and relaxed. It can also be seen when Katniss mostly remembered the memories with and thought of Gale from back home during the Hunger games. Her actions shows that according to her the nature of love is protection. It can be seen that she feels that your loved ones should be protected at all costs. She rally loves her little sister, Prim so she decided to protect by going in her place for the games. She developed sisterly love with Rue therefore wanted to protect her from the other tributes. When Rue was dying, Katniss sang her to sleep and put flowers around her corpse. Her nature of love in which she has to protect her people is what empowers her a strong character.
      T. Nawal.

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    2. For cases like these, it is best to differentiate the diverse forces at work that seem to complicate the issue. Katniss is conflicted because many things are at stake in the same equation. If she chooses to side with Peeta and ditch Gale, Gale might feel betrayed for his having been loyal to her, and even if he does not show it off, it will make Katniss feel somewhat guilty, and a life with a guilty conscience will affect her future happiness. If she ditches Peeta, it will also become a cause for guilt in her, and it may still endanger her relationship with Gale who might have difficulty in accepting Katniss back after what he witnessed at the Hunger Games. There's also the question of which partner will suit her better in the future, which one would be most resourceful? Most resourceful for her family and her own future? And there's also the danger of having guilt or regret by any choice she makes. For all the conflicted forces at play in her life, the one common theme that her circumstances do respect is her picking one choice and abiding by it, despite any level of resistance that might come her way. Her feelings for both of them are also a matter for concern and inquiry. However, if she could somehow afford the luxury of being with both and not hurt anyone's feelings or conscience in the matter, at all, then perhaps she would have gone both ways. Shard M.

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    3. i feel that katniss is really in love with both peeta and gale but she wants to choose the guy who will really benifit her future the most. she is a strong woman by herself and she wants to choose the guy that will be good for her fate in the hunger games and in her life katniss likes gale and his memories help her get through the games but peeta gives katiness a sort of comfort through out the games that gale is unable to give to katniss

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    4. It seems that Katniss loves Peeta Mellark. When they kissed for the first time while they were not that much injured, Katniss feels something strange. For Katniss Gale is just a "good hunting partner", at least that is what she says. The nature of love for Katniss comes from helping each other and trust.

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    5. Katniss never loved Peeta in a matured and romantic way. Katniss was doing everything for her survival and Katniss see's Peeta as a food provider who has given her a bread. She likes him as a person because of his kind nature but liking and loving is different story. When both of them kissed because or may be they were hurt and suffering from pain. Kissing usually relax a person and moreover they were teenagers and hormones are another factor. Katniss only loved her family and for her Gale is a best friend and a good hunting partner. It is said Best Friends are considered to be as the best life partners. So Gale is a right match for her. Some where while caring for her family she completely ignored her true feelings for Gale. At the beginning she said that Gale is the only one with whom she is not fake. But with Peeta she lied and did not trusted him ever. Whatsoever, she was doing was for her survival. Moreover she miss her father like anything and she might saw her father in Peeta who is so gentle with her like her father and far away from her home she feels Peeta as the one who is makes her connected with the home because they both belong to same district. So to me Katniss was not in love with Peeta but with Gale I am skeptical because the person like her often ignore their love feelings while running in the race for meeting responsibilities and life struggles.

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  5. Why would a society "need" people to die in order to exist? Does the US do this?

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    1. Death is intimdating. With that said, anyone willing to take control of their fears of death can conquer virtually anything in their way. Death can be used as a threat, as a motivation to get anything done. The fear of death separates the conqueror from the conquered. It is a gamble, but fruitful in results if guided effort has been put in.
      Fear of death is a tool that has the power to create absolutes, or extremes. Fear of death can make a society peaceful, and it can bathe it in the bloodiest war. It seeks extremes, it respects extremes.
      A society keeps the behavior of its citizens in check through death, or punishment. Examples of this include crime and imprisonment. The US, like any society, does the same with its justice system, and its military. It's a necessity in order for it to exist. Shard M.

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    2. a society needs people to die because if no one died the world would be over crowded and we wouldnt be able to experience the pain that death brings us and the recovery time. It makes us be more careful in our lives and preventing to do things that would kill us sooner and the us has to have deaths to replace the new lives but the us doesn't approve of suicide because we are like registered to the government almost like government property and we all have our own identification which is social security so if the government lost a life unexpectedly its like loosing money to the us

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    3. The society would need people to die because of the overpopulation, to keep resources enough for everybody. Also to maintain order and safety. I think US does that by killing criminals and sending soldiers to war, but maybe is not intentional. In addition, I think every nation does that somehow, they just don't know.

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    4. To Rina. M, I think what you mean is that society has death all around it and it is kind of inevitable because people are bound to die. I agree people do die inevitable but is it necessary I don't really know. Not including death through deceases and natural causes it would be some how good if people didn't die and lived their entire lives but even then I see that death might be needed because of overpopulation and other things. In a perfect world people not dying would be great because finally humans would show that we all can get along and we are intelligent enough to put love over hate and war.
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    5. Yes, Society is aware of Universal truth that no one is immortal and everyone has to die one day. This is the reason why people are normal with death. If people would not die planet becomes over crowded and it is a rule of nature the thing which take birth has to die one day like Spring and Fall. Another reason is that people are divideed into different groups and for their private defense from other group and superiority basis they kill one another. US is doing war with other countries in order for its own survival. US did war with Iraq in order to get the oil and fuel because US is lacking in it. So US killed people for their own survival. Iraq killed soldiers of US for their private defense. Hunger Games is everwhere.

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    6. The society needs people to die for survival. If no one dies, then we run out of necessities, natural resources and food. Everyone would then have some sort of power for being immortal or something. No one would be afraid of death. Therefore yes society needs people to die in order to exist. Not only US but all countries around the world does that. Countries does that to show that no matter how important people are the government still has power over. Many countries have death penalties, they go to wars and fight to protect themselves.

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